Discussion:
Question: Balazsvagas then Blazov but now what ?
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Dave Hazelwood
2003-12-14 03:56:23 UTC
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My grandfater came from Balazsvagas which later became Blazov
which ceased to exist in 1950.

What town is it now ? Can anybody help ?
Robert Jerin
2003-12-14 13:43:01 UTC
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Post by Dave Hazelwood
My grandfater came from Balazsvagas which later became Blazov
which ceased to exist in 1950.
What town is it now ? Can anybody help ?
What country?

What os the surname?

Robert Jerin
Dave Hazelwood
2003-12-15 14:20:04 UTC
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Ellis island says Balazvagas, Hungary 1892. The name was later changed to
Blazov but I read that disappeared in 1950.

Since I posted my query I found this !


http://bfs.webpark.sk/Engl/blazov.htm


So I think it really was abandoned. The location is now part of Slovakia.
Post by Robert Jerin
Post by Dave Hazelwood
My grandfater came from Balazsvagas which later became Blazov
which ceased to exist in 1950.
What town is it now ? Can anybody help ?
What country?
What os the surname?
Robert Jerin
Robert Jerin
2003-12-15 01:08:54 UTC
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Since this is a Slavic Genealogy newsgroup it is diffcult to determine which
one of the many countries stretching from Russia in the East and Czech Rep
in the west, Macedonia in the south and Poland in the north you are asking
about!

Here are some possibilities.

BLAZOV4941 1653NCzech Republic 111.0 miles ESE of Prague
BLAZOV4909 2045NSlovakia 179.5 miles ENE of Bratislava
BLAZOV4759 1740NSlovakia 27.9 miles ESE of Bratislava
BLAZOVCE4856 1851NSlovakia 95.9 miles NE of Bratislava
BLAZOVICE4910 1647NCzech Republic 121.4 miles ESE of Prague

BALAZE
(BLAZE)4849 1912VSlovakia 105.9 miles ENE of Bratislava
BALAZHEVICHI5206 2845NRussia 438.2 miles WSW of Moscow
BALAZHI5435 5629NRussia 747.4 miles E of Moscow
BALAZSDULO4815 2136NHungary 127.5 miles ENE of Budapest
BALAZSFA
(BLAZOV)4759 1740VSlovakia 27.9 miles ESE of Bratislava
BALAZSFALVA
(BLAJ)4611 2355VRomania 160.7 miles NW of Bucharest
BALAZSHALOM4738 2012NHungary 52.8 miles E of Budapest
BALAZSI4653 1922DHungary 44.6 miles SSE of Budapest
BALAZSITANYA4746 2057DHungary 88.8 miles ENE of Budapest
BALAZSITANYAK
(CSALANOS)4807 2155DHungary 138.1 miles ENE of Budapest
BALAZSKERT4743 2141NHungary 121.9 miles E of Budapest
BALAZSLAPOS
(BALAZSDULO)4815 2136VHungary 127.5 miles ENE of Budapest
BALAZS PIRI-SOR
(PIRI SOR)4609 1929VHungary 95.1 miles SSE of Budapest
BALAZSPUSZTA4701 2130NHungary 118.1 miles ESE of Budapest
BALAZSPUSZTA4654 1923NHungary 43.8 miles SSE of Budapest
BALAZSSZALLAS4558 1848NHungary 106.7 miles S of Budapest
BALAZSTAG4751 1814NSlovakia 55.6 miles ESE of Bratislava
BALAZSTANYA
(BALASSAGYARMAT)4805 1918DHungary 41.5 miles NNE of Budapest
BALAZSTANYA
(DELIHEGYIRESZ)4646 1838DHungary 54.9 miles SSW of Budapest
BALAZSTANYA4645 2049NHungary 96.5 miles ESE of Budapest
BALAZSTANYA
(IGAL)4632 1757DHungary 85.4 miles SW of Budapest
BALAZS-TELEP4654 2122VHungary 114.8 miles ESE of Budapest
BALAZSTELEP4553 1748NHungary 127.1 miles SSW of Budapest
BALAZSUJTELEP4654 2122DHungary 114.8 miles ESE of Budapest

Robert Jerin
Croatian Heritage Museum
Cleveland Ohio
Post by Dave Hazelwood
My grandfater came from Balazsvagas which later became Blazov
which ceased to exist in 1950.
What town is it now ? Can anybody help ?
Dave Hazelwood
2003-12-15 14:25:11 UTC
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Thanks Robert your post helped me locate it I think.

It is:

BLAZOV4909 2045NSlovakia 179.5 miles ENE of Bratislava

Or at least I am 90% sure ... unless there were other Blazov's
also previously called Balazsvagas ?

So difficult these Slavic places ... the names change ... the borders change
the language pronunciations change ... drives me nuts.
Post by Robert Jerin
Since this is a Slavic Genealogy newsgroup it is diffcult to determine which
one of the many countries stretching from Russia in the East and Czech Rep
in the west, Macedonia in the south and Poland in the north you are asking
about!
Here are some possibilities.
BLAZOV4941 1653NCzech Republic 111.0 miles ESE of Prague
BLAZOV4909 2045NSlovakia 179.5 miles ENE of Bratislava
BLAZOV4759 1740NSlovakia 27.9 miles ESE of Bratislava
BLAZOVCE4856 1851NSlovakia 95.9 miles NE of Bratislava
BLAZOVICE4910 1647NCzech Republic 121.4 miles ESE of Prague
BALAZE
(BLAZE)4849 1912VSlovakia 105.9 miles ENE of Bratislava
BALAZHEVICHI5206 2845NRussia 438.2 miles WSW of Moscow
BALAZHI5435 5629NRussia 747.4 miles E of Moscow
BALAZSDULO4815 2136NHungary 127.5 miles ENE of Budapest
BALAZSFA
(BLAZOV)4759 1740VSlovakia 27.9 miles ESE of Bratislava
BALAZSFALVA
(BLAJ)4611 2355VRomania 160.7 miles NW of Bucharest
BALAZSHALOM4738 2012NHungary 52.8 miles E of Budapest
BALAZSI4653 1922DHungary 44.6 miles SSE of Budapest
BALAZSITANYA4746 2057DHungary 88.8 miles ENE of Budapest
BALAZSITANYAK
(CSALANOS)4807 2155DHungary 138.1 miles ENE of Budapest
BALAZSKERT4743 2141NHungary 121.9 miles E of Budapest
BALAZSLAPOS
(BALAZSDULO)4815 2136VHungary 127.5 miles ENE of Budapest
BALAZS PIRI-SOR
(PIRI SOR)4609 1929VHungary 95.1 miles SSE of Budapest
BALAZSPUSZTA4701 2130NHungary 118.1 miles ESE of Budapest
BALAZSPUSZTA4654 1923NHungary 43.8 miles SSE of Budapest
BALAZSSZALLAS4558 1848NHungary 106.7 miles S of Budapest
BALAZSTAG4751 1814NSlovakia 55.6 miles ESE of Bratislava
BALAZSTANYA
(BALASSAGYARMAT)4805 1918DHungary 41.5 miles NNE of Budapest
BALAZSTANYA
(DELIHEGYIRESZ)4646 1838DHungary 54.9 miles SSW of Budapest
BALAZSTANYA4645 2049NHungary 96.5 miles ESE of Budapest
BALAZSTANYA
(IGAL)4632 1757DHungary 85.4 miles SW of Budapest
BALAZS-TELEP4654 2122VHungary 114.8 miles ESE of Budapest
BALAZSTELEP4553 1748NHungary 127.1 miles SSW of Budapest
BALAZSUJTELEP4654 2122DHungary 114.8 miles ESE of Budapest
Robert Jerin
Croatian Heritage Museum
Cleveland Ohio
Post by Dave Hazelwood
My grandfater came from Balazsvagas which later became Blazov
which ceased to exist in 1950.
What town is it now ? Can anybody help ?
Robert Jerin
2003-12-15 22:22:03 UTC
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Post by Dave Hazelwood
Thanks Robert your post helped me locate it I think.
Perhaps one way would be to find others with the same surname and locate the
villages they are coming from. Many surnames are quite common and found in
all areas of a given country but some are rather uncommon and come from a
specific area.

What is the name of the individual who arr in 1892?

Robert
Post by Dave Hazelwood
BLAZOV4909 2045NSlovakia 179.5 miles ENE of Bratislava
Or at least I am 90% sure ... unless there were other Blazov's
also previously called Balazsvagas ?
So difficult these Slavic places ... the names change ... the borders change
the language pronunciations change ... drives me nuts.
Post by Robert Jerin
Since this is a Slavic Genealogy newsgroup it is diffcult to determine which
one of the many countries stretching from Russia in the East and Czech Rep
in the west, Macedonia in the south and Poland in the north you are asking
about!
Here are some possibilities.
BLAZOV4941 1653NCzech Republic 111.0 miles ESE of Prague
BLAZOV4909 2045NSlovakia 179.5 miles ENE of Bratislava
BLAZOV4759 1740NSlovakia 27.9 miles ESE of Bratislava
BLAZOVCE4856 1851NSlovakia 95.9 miles NE of Bratislava
BLAZOVICE4910 1647NCzech Republic 121.4 miles ESE of Prague
BALAZE
(BLAZE)4849 1912VSlovakia 105.9 miles ENE of Bratislava
BALAZHEVICHI5206 2845NRussia 438.2 miles WSW of Moscow
BALAZHI5435 5629NRussia 747.4 miles E of Moscow
BALAZSDULO4815 2136NHungary 127.5 miles ENE of Budapest
BALAZSFA
(BLAZOV)4759 1740VSlovakia 27.9 miles ESE of Bratislava
BALAZSFALVA
(BLAJ)4611 2355VRomania 160.7 miles NW of Bucharest
BALAZSHALOM4738 2012NHungary 52.8 miles E of Budapest
BALAZSI4653 1922DHungary 44.6 miles SSE of Budapest
BALAZSITANYA4746 2057DHungary 88.8 miles ENE of Budapest
BALAZSITANYAK
(CSALANOS)4807 2155DHungary 138.1 miles ENE of Budapest
BALAZSKERT4743 2141NHungary 121.9 miles E of Budapest
BALAZSLAPOS
(BALAZSDULO)4815 2136VHungary 127.5 miles ENE of Budapest
BALAZS PIRI-SOR
(PIRI SOR)4609 1929VHungary 95.1 miles SSE of Budapest
BALAZSPUSZTA4701 2130NHungary 118.1 miles ESE of Budapest
BALAZSPUSZTA4654 1923NHungary 43.8 miles SSE of Budapest
BALAZSSZALLAS4558 1848NHungary 106.7 miles S of Budapest
BALAZSTAG4751 1814NSlovakia 55.6 miles ESE of Bratislava
BALAZSTANYA
(BALASSAGYARMAT)4805 1918DHungary 41.5 miles NNE of Budapest
BALAZSTANYA
(DELIHEGYIRESZ)4646 1838DHungary 54.9 miles SSW of Budapest
BALAZSTANYA4645 2049NHungary 96.5 miles ESE of Budapest
BALAZSTANYA
(IGAL)4632 1757DHungary 85.4 miles SW of Budapest
BALAZS-TELEP4654 2122VHungary 114.8 miles ESE of Budapest
BALAZSTELEP4553 1748NHungary 127.1 miles SSW of Budapest
BALAZSUJTELEP4654 2122DHungary 114.8 miles ESE of Budapest
Robert Jerin
Croatian Heritage Museum
Cleveland Ohio
Post by Dave Hazelwood
My grandfater came from Balazsvagas which later became Blazov
which ceased to exist in 1950.
What town is it now ? Can anybody help ?
Dave Hazelwood
2003-12-16 02:29:24 UTC
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The surname in 1892 was Surgala in the Ellis Island DB. By the US 1930 census it
was Surgalla and by 1945 was Shurgalla.

I have been unable to trace this name. Perhaps because it was generated as a
phonetic of the old country language pronunciation ?

I have found some people with this name in the current German white pages
though and I heard there was a Czech actress with the surname as well but
I have scanned roots web and all the genealogy material I can find and have
not found a single clue.

Here is what I got from Ellis Island:

Name Residence Arrived Age
group 1
Surgala,Jasvan Balaosvagas 1892 2 (3)
Surgala,Stefan Balaosvagas 1892 4 (1)
Surgala,Mihaly Balaosvagas 1892 9 (3)
Surgala,Marie Balaosvagas 1892 37 (2)

group 2
Szurgala,Stefanie Berzeirc 1899 2
Szurgala,Stefanie Berzeirc 1899 24

group 3
Surgala,Istvan Berzevicze 1900 27

group 4
Surgala,Erszi Beszevieze 1902 17

group 5
Surgala,Stefanie Berzericze 1903 5
Surgala,Mihaly Berzevicz 1903 17
Surgala,Janos Berzerlcze 1903 34

group 6
Surgala,Lajos Berzevicze 1904 17

group 7
Surgala,Josef Bal..., Hungary 1910 18
Surgala,Stefan Berzevicze, Hungary 1910 37

I think all these people are related and came from the same small
area.

Berzivicze today is known as Brezovica (thanks Alexander)
and was very close to the Balazsvagas(Blazov) at 49.05/20.45.
This is why I think it is the right place.

(1) My grandfather
(2) My great grandmother
(3) My great Uncles

Balazvegas was a very very small place so if I can get to the town
records I am sure to learn a lot but its anybodys guess what language
they might be in.
Post by Robert Jerin
Post by Dave Hazelwood
Thanks Robert your post helped me locate it I think.
Perhaps one way would be to find others with the same surname and locate the
villages they are coming from. Many surnames are quite common and found in
all areas of a given country but some are rather uncommon and come from a
specific area.
What is the name of the individual who arr in 1892?
Robert
Post by Dave Hazelwood
BLAZOV4909 2045NSlovakia 179.5 miles ENE of Bratislava
Or at least I am 90% sure ... unless there were other Blazov's
also previously called Balazsvagas ?
So difficult these Slavic places ... the names change ... the borders
change
Post by Dave Hazelwood
the language pronunciations change ... drives me nuts.
Post by Robert Jerin
Since this is a Slavic Genealogy newsgroup it is diffcult to determine
which
Post by Dave Hazelwood
Post by Robert Jerin
one of the many countries stretching from Russia in the East and Czech
Rep
Post by Dave Hazelwood
Post by Robert Jerin
in the west, Macedonia in the south and Poland in the north you are
asking
Post by Dave Hazelwood
Post by Robert Jerin
about!
Here are some possibilities.
BLAZOV4941 1653NCzech Republic 111.0 miles ESE of Prague
BLAZOV4909 2045NSlovakia 179.5 miles ENE of Bratislava
BLAZOV4759 1740NSlovakia 27.9 miles ESE of Bratislava
BLAZOVCE4856 1851NSlovakia 95.9 miles NE of Bratislava
BLAZOVICE4910 1647NCzech Republic 121.4 miles ESE of Prague
BALAZE
(BLAZE)4849 1912VSlovakia 105.9 miles ENE of Bratislava
BALAZHEVICHI5206 2845NRussia 438.2 miles WSW of Moscow
BALAZHI5435 5629NRussia 747.4 miles E of Moscow
BALAZSDULO4815 2136NHungary 127.5 miles ENE of Budapest
BALAZSFA
(BLAZOV)4759 1740VSlovakia 27.9 miles ESE of Bratislava
BALAZSFALVA
(BLAJ)4611 2355VRomania 160.7 miles NW of Bucharest
BALAZSHALOM4738 2012NHungary 52.8 miles E of Budapest
BALAZSI4653 1922DHungary 44.6 miles SSE of Budapest
BALAZSITANYA4746 2057DHungary 88.8 miles ENE of Budapest
BALAZSITANYAK
(CSALANOS)4807 2155DHungary 138.1 miles ENE of Budapest
BALAZSKERT4743 2141NHungary 121.9 miles E of Budapest
BALAZSLAPOS
(BALAZSDULO)4815 2136VHungary 127.5 miles ENE of Budapest
BALAZS PIRI-SOR
(PIRI SOR)4609 1929VHungary 95.1 miles SSE of Budapest
BALAZSPUSZTA4701 2130NHungary 118.1 miles ESE of Budapest
BALAZSPUSZTA4654 1923NHungary 43.8 miles SSE of Budapest
BALAZSSZALLAS4558 1848NHungary 106.7 miles S of Budapest
BALAZSTAG4751 1814NSlovakia 55.6 miles ESE of Bratislava
BALAZSTANYA
(BALASSAGYARMAT)4805 1918DHungary 41.5 miles NNE of Budapest
BALAZSTANYA
(DELIHEGYIRESZ)4646 1838DHungary 54.9 miles SSW of Budapest
BALAZSTANYA4645 2049NHungary 96.5 miles ESE of Budapest
BALAZSTANYA
(IGAL)4632 1757DHungary 85.4 miles SW of Budapest
BALAZS-TELEP4654 2122VHungary 114.8 miles ESE of Budapest
BALAZSTELEP4553 1748NHungary 127.1 miles SSW of Budapest
BALAZSUJTELEP4654 2122DHungary 114.8 miles ESE of Budapest
Robert Jerin
Croatian Heritage Museum
Cleveland Ohio
Post by Dave Hazelwood
My grandfater came from Balazsvagas which later became Blazov
which ceased to exist in 1950.
What town is it now ? Can anybody help ?
Robert Jerin
2003-12-16 04:02:46 UTC
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I noticed that some of the listings had destinations of Cleveland Ohio.
There is a SURKALA in Cuyahoga County Archives

And the county marriage records show several SURGALAs listed.

http://probate.cuyahogacounty.us/ml/ml.urd/MLIW1000

Also the following obits are found in Cleveland Public Library.

Id#: 0746740
Name: Surgala, Louis
Date: Jul 12 1970
Source: Plain Dealer; Cleveland Necrology File, Reel #160.
Notes: Surgala. Louis Surgala, beloved husband of the late Bertha (nee
Sargent), dear father of John (deceased), Thomas and Betty, grandfather of
Carol Kantor and John Richard, great-grandfather of four, brother of Mary
Emley, Joseph, Elizabeth Matis, John, Anna Zitnay and Stephanie Surgala, all
deceased. Solemn requiem Mass Monday, July 13, 1970 at St. Wendelin Church
at 9:30 a.m. Interment Calvary Cemetery, Section 30, lot 611, Grove 2.
Relatives and friends may call Sunday 2-5 And 7-10 P.M. at 2707 Monroe Ave.
at W. 28th St., Sepsl Funeral Home.

Id#: 0746739
Name: Surgala, Lawrence
Date: Apr 23 1974
Source: Plain Dealer; Cleveland Necrology File, Reel #160.
Notes: Surgala. Lawrence Surgala, beloved son of Anna (nee Setcik) and the
late Michael, dear brother of Michael Jr., Edward (deceased), Helen, Anna
Bertuzzi, Mary Priester, Anthony and Bernard. Funeral Mass, Wednesday, April
24, at 11 a.m. at St. Bridget Church. Burial Holy Cross. Visitation At Zabor
Funeral Home, 5680 Pearl Rd., Tuesday, 2-4 And 7-9 P.M.

Id#: 0746738
Name: Surgala, Joseph A.
Date: Jul 12 1958
Source: Cleveland Press; Cleveland Necrology File, Reel #160.
Notes: Surgala, Joseph A., beloved husband of Elizabeth, devoted father of
Helen (deceased), Mary E. Susie Kutler, Margaret E. Meyer, Joseph A., Albert
(deceased), and Irene M., and grandfather, brother of Mary Emley, of
Lakewood, O., Louis of Cleveland, and Anna Zitnal of Czechoslovakia,
Thursday, July 10, 1958, late residence, 1718 Lorain Ave. Friends may call
at Frank P. Misencik Funeral Parlor, 1111 Fairfield Ave. From 2 To 5 And 7
To 10 Funeral services Monday, July 14, at 8:45 a. m. and from St.
Wendelin's Church at 9:30 a. m. Interment Calvary Cemetery.

Id#: 0746737
Name: Surgala, John L.
Date: Mar 3 1970
Source: Cleveland Press; Cleveland Necrology File, Reel #160.
Notes: Surgala. John L. Surgala, 3117 Hancock Ave., beloved husband of Helen
(nee Hubal), dear father of Carole Kantor and John Richard, son of the late
Bertha (nee Sargent) and Louis, brother of Thomas and Betty, grandfather of
four. Requiem Mass Wednesday, Mar. 4, 1970 at St. Wendelin Church at 9 a.m.
Interment Holy Cross Cemetery. Relatives and friends will be received by the
family Tuesday 2-5 And 7-10 P.M. at 2707 Monroe Ave. at W. 28th St. Sepsi
Funeral Home, (Please omit flowers.)

Id#: 0746736
Name: Surgala, Helen I.
Date: Sep 23 1974
Source: Plain Dealer; Cleveland Necrology File, Reel #160.
Notes: Surgala. Helen I. Surgala, beloved daughter of Anna (nee Sefcik) and
the late Michael, dear sister of Michael Jr., Edward (deceased), Lawrence
(deceased), Anna Bertuzzi, Mary Priester, Anthony and Bernard. Mass of the
Resurrection Tuesday, Sept. 24, at 10:30 a.m. from St. Bridget Church.
Burial Holy Cross. Visitation at Zabor Funeral Home, 5680 Pearl Rd., Parma
Monday 2-4 And 7-9 P.M.

Id#: 0746735
Name: Surgala, Elizabeth J. (Pilat)
Date: Dec 31 1974
Source: Plain Dealer; Cleveland Necrology File, Reel #160.
Notes: Surgala. Elizabeth J. Surgala (Pilat), beloved wife of the late
Joseph A., dear mother of Mary E., Susie M. Kuller, Margaret E. Mayer,
Joseph R., Irene M. and the late Helen and Albert, grandmother of five and
great-grandmother of eight, sister of Anna Halko, Mary Kroggel and the late
Julia Senyak and George Pilat. Funeral Mass, Thursday, Jan. 2, at St. Mel
Church, 14436 Triskett Rd., at 9:30 a.m. Family will receive friends at
Corrigan Funeral Home, Lorain Ave. At West 148th St., Tuesday 7-9 P.M. And
Wednesday 3-5 And 7-9 P.M.

Id#: 0746734
Name: Surgala, Anna
Date: Jul 11 1975
Source: Plain Dealer; Cleveland Necrology File, Reel #160.
Notes: Surgala. Anna Surgala (nee Selcik), beloved wife of the late Michael,
dear mother of Michael Jr., Anne Bertuzzi, Mary Priester, Anthony and
Bernard and the following deceased; Edward, Lawrence and Helen, grandmother
and great-grandmother, sister of Mary Chamer, Michael (deceased) and Joseph
(deceased). Funeral Mass Saturday, July 12, at 9 a. m. from St. Bridget
Church. Burial Holy Cross. Visitation At The Zabor Funeral Home, 5680 Pearl
Rd., Parma, Friday 2-4 And 7-9.

Id#: 0353133
Name: Surgala, John
Date: 1923
Source: Cemetery record; Cleveland Necrology File, Reel #079.
Notes: 1871-1923. age 52. Calvary Cem. Cleve. Ohio.

Id#: 0353132
Name: Surgala, John
Date: 1909
Source: Cemetery record; Cleveland Necrology File, Reel #079.
Notes: 1877-1909. Calvary Cem. Cleveland, Ohio.

Town records! You are in luck, they appear to be in 3 languages. The LDS
Church (Mormon) Family History Library has thousands and thousands of
microfilm church records from Europe, which can be ordered from Salt Lake
via a Family History Center near you for $3.50! They will keep them at the
FHC for (I think it is 60 or 90 days, at which time you may renew the
rental). I have rented them for Croatia and found that they will read like
a family tree and are the best possible source for researching your family
in Europe. The nice thing is that you already no the surnames and the
columns and terms are pretty much standard, which makes them relatively
simple to translate. I would encourage you to find some web pages that will
give you Latin, Hungarian and Ruthenian church record word lists. Here is
what you can order and rent:

TitleCirkevná matrika, 1812-1899
AuthorsCirkev grécko-katolícka. Farský úrad Blazov (Sabinov) (Main Author)

NotesPôvodné dokumenty boli mikrofilmované v Státnom oblastnom archíve v
Levoci.

Greek Catholic parish registers of baptisms, marriages and deaths for
Blazov, Slovakia, formerly Balázsvágás, Sáros, Hungary. Text in Latin,
Hungarian and Ruthenian.

Authors Cirkev grécko-katolícka. Farský úrad Blazov (Sabinov) (Main Author)

Note Location
Film
Krstení 1812-1852 Zomrelí 1815-1853 Sobásení 1817-1853 Krstení 1853-1877
Sobásení 1853-1877 Zomrelí 1853-1877 Krstení 1877-1899 Sobásení 1877-1899
Zomrelí 1877-1899 DRUHOPISY Krstení, sobásení, zomrelí 1875-1880 Krstení
1881-1895 FHL INTL Film
1792006 Items 2-5

Sobásení 1881-1895 Zomrelí 1881-1895 FHL INTL Film
1792006 Items 2-5

These will be Baptismal (krsteni and the other two types are marriage and
death records.

Notice the town has a \/ over the Z which I believe will give the Z the
sound like the S in the word treasure.

I believe the other place you are looking for is Brezovice nad Torysou, the
LDS also has records for that town.

From the link below you can search for records and you can also locate a FHC
near you.

http://www.familysearch.org/Eng/Library/FHLC/frameset_fhlc.asp

I suspect that these people were Greek Rite Catholic aka Byzantine Rite
Catholic. Many areas of eastern Slovakia have or had Ruthenian aka Carpatho
Rusyn people who followed this faith.

In re to Census Records, that may or may not be the way the immigrant
spelled the name. Those records were written down by the census taker and
most likely were his/her interpretation of what he/she heard with "English
ears". Keep in mind that census records are strictly private for 72 years
thus no one else would have seen that spelling. If the name changed in
daily use it was most likely as a result of: 1) the immigrant making that
change on his own, which did not need to be done officially, 2) in school
many immigrant children had their names recorded by teachers phonetically or
3) on the job.

Interesting searching the LDS web page finds SHURGALA and SHURGALA Soc Sec
Records indicate PA while SURGALA are Ohio.

http://www.familysearch.org/Eng/Search/frameset_search.asp

I have a feeling that the one sp that I mentioned SURKALA may have a
connection. I checked several area tel. phone code areas and found no
SURGALA but I did find Surkala

the mark over the S gives it the sound of SH And it would be very easy
to mistake the G and K sounds.

http://www.zoznamst.sk/eng/index.html

Here is what appears to be a useful Slovak Gen page

http://www.iabsi.com/gen/public/correspondence.htm

Robert Jerin
Croatian Heritage Museum
Cleveland Ohio
Post by Dave Hazelwood
The surname in 1892 was Surgala in the Ellis Island DB. By the US 1930 census it
was Surgalla and by 1945 was Shurgalla.
I have been unable to trace this name. Perhaps because it was generated as a
phonetic of the old country language pronunciation ?
I have found some people with this name in the current German white pages
though and I heard there was a Czech actress with the surname as well but
I have scanned roots web and all the genealogy material I can find and have
not found a single clue.
Name Residence Arrived Age
group 1
Surgala,Jasvan Balaosvagas 1892 2 (3)
Surgala,Stefan Balaosvagas 1892 4 (1)
Surgala,Mihaly Balaosvagas 1892 9 (3)
Surgala,Marie Balaosvagas 1892 37 (2)
group 2
Szurgala,Stefanie Berzeirc 1899 2
Szurgala,Stefanie Berzeirc 1899 24
group 3
Surgala,Istvan Berzevicze 1900 27
group 4
Surgala,Erszi Beszevieze 1902 17
group 5
Surgala,Stefanie Berzericze 1903 5
Surgala,Mihaly Berzevicz 1903 17
Surgala,Janos Berzerlcze 1903 34
group 6
Surgala,Lajos Berzevicze 1904 17
group 7
Surgala,Josef Bal..., Hungary 1910 18
Surgala,Stefan Berzevicze, Hungary 1910 37
I think all these people are related and came from the same small
area.
Berzivicze today is known as Brezovica (thanks Alexander)
and was very close to the Balazsvagas(Blazov) at 49.05/20.45.
This is why I think it is the right place.
(1) My grandfather
(2) My great grandmother
(3) My great Uncles
Balazvegas was a very very small place so if I can get to the town
records I am sure to learn a lot but its anybodys guess what language
they might be in.
Post by Robert Jerin
Post by Dave Hazelwood
Thanks Robert your post helped me locate it I think.
Perhaps one way would be to find others with the same surname and locate the
villages they are coming from. Many surnames are quite common and found in
all areas of a given country but some are rather uncommon and come from a
specific area.
What is the name of the individual who arr in 1892?
Robert
Post by Dave Hazelwood
BLAZOV4909 2045NSlovakia 179.5 miles ENE of Bratislava
Or at least I am 90% sure ... unless there were other Blazov's
also previously called Balazsvagas ?
So difficult these Slavic places ... the names change ... the borders
change
Post by Dave Hazelwood
the language pronunciations change ... drives me nuts.
Post by Robert Jerin
Since this is a Slavic Genealogy newsgroup it is diffcult to determine
which
Post by Dave Hazelwood
Post by Robert Jerin
one of the many countries stretching from Russia in the East and Czech
Rep
Post by Dave Hazelwood
Post by Robert Jerin
in the west, Macedonia in the south and Poland in the north you are
asking
Post by Dave Hazelwood
Post by Robert Jerin
about!
Here are some possibilities.
BLAZOV4941 1653NCzech Republic 111.0 miles ESE of Prague
BLAZOV4909 2045NSlovakia 179.5 miles ENE of Bratislava
BLAZOV4759 1740NSlovakia 27.9 miles ESE of Bratislava
BLAZOVCE4856 1851NSlovakia 95.9 miles NE of Bratislava
BLAZOVICE4910 1647NCzech Republic 121.4 miles ESE of Prague
BALAZE
(BLAZE)4849 1912VSlovakia 105.9 miles ENE of Bratislava
BALAZHEVICHI5206 2845NRussia 438.2 miles WSW of Moscow
BALAZHI5435 5629NRussia 747.4 miles E of Moscow
BALAZSDULO4815 2136NHungary 127.5 miles ENE of Budapest
BALAZSFA
(BLAZOV)4759 1740VSlovakia 27.9 miles ESE of Bratislava
BALAZSFALVA
(BLAJ)4611 2355VRomania 160.7 miles NW of Bucharest
BALAZSHALOM4738 2012NHungary 52.8 miles E of Budapest
BALAZSI4653 1922DHungary 44.6 miles SSE of Budapest
BALAZSITANYA4746 2057DHungary 88.8 miles ENE of Budapest
BALAZSITANYAK
(CSALANOS)4807 2155DHungary 138.1 miles ENE of Budapest
BALAZSKERT4743 2141NHungary 121.9 miles E of Budapest
BALAZSLAPOS
(BALAZSDULO)4815 2136VHungary 127.5 miles ENE of Budapest
BALAZS PIRI-SOR
(PIRI SOR)4609 1929VHungary 95.1 miles SSE of Budapest
BALAZSPUSZTA4701 2130NHungary 118.1 miles ESE of Budapest
BALAZSPUSZTA4654 1923NHungary 43.8 miles SSE of Budapest
BALAZSSZALLAS4558 1848NHungary 106.7 miles S of Budapest
BALAZSTAG4751 1814NSlovakia 55.6 miles ESE of Bratislava
BALAZSTANYA
(BALASSAGYARMAT)4805 1918DHungary 41.5 miles NNE of Budapest
BALAZSTANYA
(DELIHEGYIRESZ)4646 1838DHungary 54.9 miles SSW of Budapest
BALAZSTANYA4645 2049NHungary 96.5 miles ESE of Budapest
BALAZSTANYA
(IGAL)4632 1757DHungary 85.4 miles SW of Budapest
BALAZS-TELEP4654 2122VHungary 114.8 miles ESE of Budapest
BALAZSTELEP4553 1748NHungary 127.1 miles SSW of Budapest
BALAZSUJTELEP4654 2122DHungary 114.8 miles ESE of Budapest
Robert Jerin
Croatian Heritage Museum
Cleveland Ohio
Post by Dave Hazelwood
My grandfater came from Balazsvagas which later became Blazov
which ceased to exist in 1950.
What town is it now ? Can anybody help ?
Dave Hazelwood
2003-12-16 04:23:28 UTC
Permalink
Wow ! This is so helpful !

Thank you so much.

I am living in Singapore now but there is an LDS center a few miles down the
road from me and I will certainly make a bee line to visit them.
Post by Robert Jerin
I noticed that some of the listings had destinations of Cleveland Ohio.
There is a SURKALA in Cuyahoga County Archives
And the county marriage records show several SURGALAs listed.
http://probate.cuyahogacounty.us/ml/ml.urd/MLIW1000
Also the following obits are found in Cleveland Public Library.
Id#: 0746740
Name: Surgala, Louis
Date: Jul 12 1970
Source: Plain Dealer; Cleveland Necrology File, Reel #160.
Notes: Surgala. Louis Surgala, beloved husband of the late Bertha (nee
Sargent), dear father of John (deceased), Thomas and Betty, grandfather of
Carol Kantor and John Richard, great-grandfather of four, brother of Mary
Emley, Joseph, Elizabeth Matis, John, Anna Zitnay and Stephanie Surgala, all
deceased. Solemn requiem Mass Monday, July 13, 1970 at St. Wendelin Church
at 9:30 a.m. Interment Calvary Cemetery, Section 30, lot 611, Grove 2.
Relatives and friends may call Sunday 2-5 And 7-10 P.M. at 2707 Monroe Ave.
at W. 28th St., Sepsl Funeral Home.
Id#: 0746739
Name: Surgala, Lawrence
Date: Apr 23 1974
Source: Plain Dealer; Cleveland Necrology File, Reel #160.
Notes: Surgala. Lawrence Surgala, beloved son of Anna (nee Setcik) and the
late Michael, dear brother of Michael Jr., Edward (deceased), Helen, Anna
Bertuzzi, Mary Priester, Anthony and Bernard. Funeral Mass, Wednesday, April
24, at 11 a.m. at St. Bridget Church. Burial Holy Cross. Visitation At Zabor
Funeral Home, 5680 Pearl Rd., Tuesday, 2-4 And 7-9 P.M.
Id#: 0746738
Name: Surgala, Joseph A.
Date: Jul 12 1958
Source: Cleveland Press; Cleveland Necrology File, Reel #160.
Notes: Surgala, Joseph A., beloved husband of Elizabeth, devoted father of
Helen (deceased), Mary E. Susie Kutler, Margaret E. Meyer, Joseph A., Albert
(deceased), and Irene M., and grandfather, brother of Mary Emley, of
Lakewood, O., Louis of Cleveland, and Anna Zitnal of Czechoslovakia,
Thursday, July 10, 1958, late residence, 1718 Lorain Ave. Friends may call
at Frank P. Misencik Funeral Parlor, 1111 Fairfield Ave. From 2 To 5 And 7
To 10 Funeral services Monday, July 14, at 8:45 a. m. and from St.
Wendelin's Church at 9:30 a. m. Interment Calvary Cemetery.
Id#: 0746737
Name: Surgala, John L.
Date: Mar 3 1970
Source: Cleveland Press; Cleveland Necrology File, Reel #160.
Notes: Surgala. John L. Surgala, 3117 Hancock Ave., beloved husband of Helen
(nee Hubal), dear father of Carole Kantor and John Richard, son of the late
Bertha (nee Sargent) and Louis, brother of Thomas and Betty, grandfather of
four. Requiem Mass Wednesday, Mar. 4, 1970 at St. Wendelin Church at 9 a.m.
Interment Holy Cross Cemetery. Relatives and friends will be received by the
family Tuesday 2-5 And 7-10 P.M. at 2707 Monroe Ave. at W. 28th St. Sepsi
Funeral Home, (Please omit flowers.)
Id#: 0746736
Name: Surgala, Helen I.
Date: Sep 23 1974
Source: Plain Dealer; Cleveland Necrology File, Reel #160.
Notes: Surgala. Helen I. Surgala, beloved daughter of Anna (nee Sefcik) and
the late Michael, dear sister of Michael Jr., Edward (deceased), Lawrence
(deceased), Anna Bertuzzi, Mary Priester, Anthony and Bernard. Mass of the
Resurrection Tuesday, Sept. 24, at 10:30 a.m. from St. Bridget Church.
Burial Holy Cross. Visitation at Zabor Funeral Home, 5680 Pearl Rd., Parma
Monday 2-4 And 7-9 P.M.
Id#: 0746735
Name: Surgala, Elizabeth J. (Pilat)
Date: Dec 31 1974
Source: Plain Dealer; Cleveland Necrology File, Reel #160.
Notes: Surgala. Elizabeth J. Surgala (Pilat), beloved wife of the late
Joseph A., dear mother of Mary E., Susie M. Kuller, Margaret E. Mayer,
Joseph R., Irene M. and the late Helen and Albert, grandmother of five and
great-grandmother of eight, sister of Anna Halko, Mary Kroggel and the late
Julia Senyak and George Pilat. Funeral Mass, Thursday, Jan. 2, at St. Mel
Church, 14436 Triskett Rd., at 9:30 a.m. Family will receive friends at
Corrigan Funeral Home, Lorain Ave. At West 148th St., Tuesday 7-9 P.M. And
Wednesday 3-5 And 7-9 P.M.
Id#: 0746734
Name: Surgala, Anna
Date: Jul 11 1975
Source: Plain Dealer; Cleveland Necrology File, Reel #160.
Notes: Surgala. Anna Surgala (nee Selcik), beloved wife of the late Michael,
dear mother of Michael Jr., Anne Bertuzzi, Mary Priester, Anthony and
Bernard and the following deceased; Edward, Lawrence and Helen, grandmother
and great-grandmother, sister of Mary Chamer, Michael (deceased) and Joseph
(deceased). Funeral Mass Saturday, July 12, at 9 a. m. from St. Bridget
Church. Burial Holy Cross. Visitation At The Zabor Funeral Home, 5680 Pearl
Rd., Parma, Friday 2-4 And 7-9.
Id#: 0353133
Name: Surgala, John
Date: 1923
Source: Cemetery record; Cleveland Necrology File, Reel #079.
Notes: 1871-1923. age 52. Calvary Cem. Cleve. Ohio.
Id#: 0353132
Name: Surgala, John
Date: 1909
Source: Cemetery record; Cleveland Necrology File, Reel #079.
Notes: 1877-1909. Calvary Cem. Cleveland, Ohio.
Town records! You are in luck, they appear to be in 3 languages. The LDS
Church (Mormon) Family History Library has thousands and thousands of
microfilm church records from Europe, which can be ordered from Salt Lake
via a Family History Center near you for $3.50! They will keep them at the
FHC for (I think it is 60 or 90 days, at which time you may renew the
rental). I have rented them for Croatia and found that they will read like
a family tree and are the best possible source for researching your family
in Europe. The nice thing is that you already no the surnames and the
columns and terms are pretty much standard, which makes them relatively
simple to translate. I would encourage you to find some web pages that will
give you Latin, Hungarian and Ruthenian church record word lists. Here is
TitleCirkevná matrika, 1812-1899
AuthorsCirkev grécko-katolícka. Farský úrad Blazov (Sabinov) (Main Author)
NotesPôvodné dokumenty boli mikrofilmované v Státnom oblastnom archíve v
Levoci.
Greek Catholic parish registers of baptisms, marriages and deaths for
Blazov, Slovakia, formerly Balázsvágás, Sáros, Hungary. Text in Latin,
Hungarian and Ruthenian.
Authors Cirkev grécko-katolícka. Farský úrad Blazov (Sabinov) (Main Author)
Note Location
Film
Krstení 1812-1852 Zomrelí 1815-1853 Sobásení 1817-1853 Krstení 1853-1877
Sobásení 1853-1877 Zomrelí 1853-1877 Krstení 1877-1899 Sobásení 1877-1899
Zomrelí 1877-1899 DRUHOPISY Krstení, sobásení, zomrelí 1875-1880 Krstení
1881-1895 FHL INTL Film
1792006 Items 2-5
Sobásení 1881-1895 Zomrelí 1881-1895 FHL INTL Film
1792006 Items 2-5
These will be Baptismal (krsteni and the other two types are marriage and
death records.
Notice the town has a \/ over the Z which I believe will give the Z the
sound like the S in the word treasure.
I believe the other place you are looking for is Brezovice nad Torysou, the
LDS also has records for that town.
From the link below you can search for records and you can also locate a FHC
near you.
http://www.familysearch.org/Eng/Library/FHLC/frameset_fhlc.asp
I suspect that these people were Greek Rite Catholic aka Byzantine Rite
Catholic. Many areas of eastern Slovakia have or had Ruthenian aka Carpatho
Rusyn people who followed this faith.
In re to Census Records, that may or may not be the way the immigrant
spelled the name. Those records were written down by the census taker and
most likely were his/her interpretation of what he/she heard with "English
ears". Keep in mind that census records are strictly private for 72 years
thus no one else would have seen that spelling. If the name changed in
daily use it was most likely as a result of: 1) the immigrant making that
change on his own, which did not need to be done officially, 2) in school
many immigrant children had their names recorded by teachers phonetically or
3) on the job.
Interesting searching the LDS web page finds SHURGALA and SHURGALA Soc Sec
Records indicate PA while SURGALA are Ohio.
http://www.familysearch.org/Eng/Search/frameset_search.asp
I have a feeling that the one sp that I mentioned SURKALA may have a
connection. I checked several area tel. phone code areas and found no
SURGALA but I did find Surkala
the mark over the S gives it the sound of SH And it would be very easy
to mistake the G and K sounds.
http://www.zoznamst.sk/eng/index.html
Here is what appears to be a useful Slovak Gen page
http://www.iabsi.com/gen/public/correspondence.htm
Robert Jerin
Croatian Heritage Museum
Cleveland Ohio
Post by Dave Hazelwood
The surname in 1892 was Surgala in the Ellis Island DB. By the US 1930
census it
Post by Dave Hazelwood
was Surgalla and by 1945 was Shurgalla.
I have been unable to trace this name. Perhaps because it was generated as
a
Post by Dave Hazelwood
phonetic of the old country language pronunciation ?
I have found some people with this name in the current German white pages
though and I heard there was a Czech actress with the surname as well but
I have scanned roots web and all the genealogy material I can find and
have
Post by Dave Hazelwood
not found a single clue.
Name Residence Arrived Age
group 1
Surgala,Jasvan Balaosvagas 1892 2 (3)
Surgala,Stefan Balaosvagas 1892 4 (1)
Surgala,Mihaly Balaosvagas 1892 9 (3)
Surgala,Marie Balaosvagas 1892 37 (2)
group 2
Szurgala,Stefanie Berzeirc 1899 2
Szurgala,Stefanie Berzeirc 1899 24
group 3
Surgala,Istvan Berzevicze 1900 27
group 4
Surgala,Erszi Beszevieze 1902 17
group 5
Surgala,Stefanie Berzericze 1903 5
Surgala,Mihaly Berzevicz 1903 17
Surgala,Janos Berzerlcze 1903 34
group 6
Surgala,Lajos Berzevicze 1904 17
group 7
Surgala,Josef Bal..., Hungary 1910 18
Surgala,Stefan Berzevicze, Hungary 1910 37
I think all these people are related and came from the same small
area.
Berzivicze today is known as Brezovica (thanks Alexander)
and was very close to the Balazsvagas(Blazov) at 49.05/20.45.
This is why I think it is the right place.
(1) My grandfather
(2) My great grandmother
(3) My great Uncles
Balazvegas was a very very small place so if I can get to the town
records I am sure to learn a lot but its anybodys guess what language
they might be in.
Post by Robert Jerin
Post by Dave Hazelwood
Thanks Robert your post helped me locate it I think.
Perhaps one way would be to find others with the same surname and locate
the
Post by Dave Hazelwood
Post by Robert Jerin
villages they are coming from. Many surnames are quite common and found
in
Post by Dave Hazelwood
Post by Robert Jerin
all areas of a given country but some are rather uncommon and come from a
specific area.
What is the name of the individual who arr in 1892?
Robert
Post by Dave Hazelwood
BLAZOV4909 2045NSlovakia 179.5 miles ENE of Bratislava
Or at least I am 90% sure ... unless there were other Blazov's
also previously called Balazsvagas ?
So difficult these Slavic places ... the names change ... the borders
change
Post by Dave Hazelwood
the language pronunciations change ... drives me nuts.
Post by Robert Jerin
Since this is a Slavic Genealogy newsgroup it is diffcult to determine
which
Post by Dave Hazelwood
Post by Robert Jerin
one of the many countries stretching from Russia in the East and Czech
Rep
Post by Dave Hazelwood
Post by Robert Jerin
in the west, Macedonia in the south and Poland in the north you are
asking
Post by Dave Hazelwood
Post by Robert Jerin
about!
Here are some possibilities.
BLAZOV4941 1653NCzech Republic 111.0 miles ESE of Prague
BLAZOV4909 2045NSlovakia 179.5 miles ENE of Bratislava
BLAZOV4759 1740NSlovakia 27.9 miles ESE of Bratislava
BLAZOVCE4856 1851NSlovakia 95.9 miles NE of Bratislava
BLAZOVICE4910 1647NCzech Republic 121.4 miles ESE of Prague
BALAZE
(BLAZE)4849 1912VSlovakia 105.9 miles ENE of Bratislava
BALAZHEVICHI5206 2845NRussia 438.2 miles WSW of Moscow
BALAZHI5435 5629NRussia 747.4 miles E of Moscow
BALAZSDULO4815 2136NHungary 127.5 miles ENE of Budapest
BALAZSFA
(BLAZOV)4759 1740VSlovakia 27.9 miles ESE of Bratislava
BALAZSFALVA
(BLAJ)4611 2355VRomania 160.7 miles NW of Bucharest
BALAZSHALOM4738 2012NHungary 52.8 miles E of Budapest
BALAZSI4653 1922DHungary 44.6 miles SSE of Budapest
BALAZSITANYA4746 2057DHungary 88.8 miles ENE of Budapest
BALAZSITANYAK
(CSALANOS)4807 2155DHungary 138.1 miles ENE of Budapest
BALAZSKERT4743 2141NHungary 121.9 miles E of Budapest
BALAZSLAPOS
(BALAZSDULO)4815 2136VHungary 127.5 miles ENE of Budapest
BALAZS PIRI-SOR
(PIRI SOR)4609 1929VHungary 95.1 miles SSE of Budapest
BALAZSPUSZTA4701 2130NHungary 118.1 miles ESE of Budapest
BALAZSPUSZTA4654 1923NHungary 43.8 miles SSE of Budapest
BALAZSSZALLAS4558 1848NHungary 106.7 miles S of Budapest
BALAZSTAG4751 1814NSlovakia 55.6 miles ESE of Bratislava
BALAZSTANYA
(BALASSAGYARMAT)4805 1918DHungary 41.5 miles NNE of Budapest
BALAZSTANYA
(DELIHEGYIRESZ)4646 1838DHungary 54.9 miles SSW of Budapest
BALAZSTANYA4645 2049NHungary 96.5 miles ESE of Budapest
BALAZSTANYA
(IGAL)4632 1757DHungary 85.4 miles SW of Budapest
BALAZS-TELEP4654 2122VHungary 114.8 miles ESE of Budapest
BALAZSTELEP4553 1748NHungary 127.1 miles SSW of Budapest
BALAZSUJTELEP4654 2122DHungary 114.8 miles ESE of Budapest
Robert Jerin
Croatian Heritage Museum
Cleveland Ohio
Post by Dave Hazelwood
My grandfater came from Balazsvagas which later became Blazov
which ceased to exist in 1950.
What town is it now ? Can anybody help ?
Robert Jerin
2003-12-16 04:06:27 UTC
Permalink
I noticed that some of the listings had destinations of Cleveland Ohio.
There is a SURKALA in Cuyahoga County Archives

And the county marriage records show several SURGALAs listed.

http://probate.cuyahogacounty.us/ml/ml.urd/MLIW1000

Also the following obits are found in Cleveland Public Library.

Id#: 0746740
Name: Surgala, Louis
Date: Jul 12 1970
Source: Plain Dealer; Cleveland Necrology File, Reel #160.
Notes: Surgala. Louis Surgala, beloved husband of the late Bertha (nee
Sargent), dear father of John (deceased), Thomas and Betty, grandfather of
Carol Kantor and John Richard, great-grandfather of four, brother of Mary
Emley, Joseph, Elizabeth Matis, John, Anna Zitnay and Stephanie Surgala, all
deceased. Solemn requiem Mass Monday, July 13, 1970 at St. Wendelin Church
at 9:30 a.m. Interment Calvary Cemetery, Section 30, lot 611, Grove 2.
Relatives and friends may call Sunday 2-5 And 7-10 P.M. at 2707 Monroe Ave.
at W. 28th St., Sepsl Funeral Home.

Id#: 0746739
Name: Surgala, Lawrence
Date: Apr 23 1974
Source: Plain Dealer; Cleveland Necrology File, Reel #160.
Notes: Surgala. Lawrence Surgala, beloved son of Anna (nee Setcik) and the
late Michael, dear brother of Michael Jr., Edward (deceased), Helen, Anna
Bertuzzi, Mary Priester, Anthony and Bernard. Funeral Mass, Wednesday, April
24, at 11 a.m. at St. Bridget Church. Burial Holy Cross. Visitation At Zabor
Funeral Home, 5680 Pearl Rd., Tuesday, 2-4 And 7-9 P.M.

Id#: 0746738
Name: Surgala, Joseph A.
Date: Jul 12 1958
Source: Cleveland Press; Cleveland Necrology File, Reel #160.
Notes: Surgala, Joseph A., beloved husband of Elizabeth, devoted father of
Helen (deceased), Mary E. Susie Kutler, Margaret E. Meyer, Joseph A., Albert
(deceased), and Irene M., and grandfather, brother of Mary Emley, of
Lakewood, O., Louis of Cleveland, and Anna Zitnal of Czechoslovakia,
Thursday, July 10, 1958, late residence, 1718 Lorain Ave. Friends may call
at Frank P. Misencik Funeral Parlor, 1111 Fairfield Ave. From 2 To 5 And 7
To 10 Funeral services Monday, July 14, at 8:45 a. m. and from St.
Wendelin's Church at 9:30 a. m. Interment Calvary Cemetery.

Id#: 0746737
Name: Surgala, John L.
Date: Mar 3 1970
Source: Cleveland Press; Cleveland Necrology File, Reel #160.
Notes: Surgala. John L. Surgala, 3117 Hancock Ave., beloved husband of Helen
(nee Hubal), dear father of Carole Kantor and John Richard, son of the late
Bertha (nee Sargent) and Louis, brother of Thomas and Betty, grandfather of
four. Requiem Mass Wednesday, Mar. 4, 1970 at St. Wendelin Church at 9 a.m.
Interment Holy Cross Cemetery. Relatives and friends will be received by the
family Tuesday 2-5 And 7-10 P.M. at 2707 Monroe Ave. at W. 28th St. Sepsi
Funeral Home, (Please omit flowers.)

Id#: 0746736
Name: Surgala, Helen I.
Date: Sep 23 1974
Source: Plain Dealer; Cleveland Necrology File, Reel #160.
Notes: Surgala. Helen I. Surgala, beloved daughter of Anna (nee Sefcik) and
the late Michael, dear sister of Michael Jr., Edward (deceased), Lawrence
(deceased), Anna Bertuzzi, Mary Priester, Anthony and Bernard. Mass of the
Resurrection Tuesday, Sept. 24, at 10:30 a.m. from St. Bridget Church.
Burial Holy Cross. Visitation at Zabor Funeral Home, 5680 Pearl Rd., Parma
Monday 2-4 And 7-9 P.M.

Id#: 0746735
Name: Surgala, Elizabeth J. (Pilat)
Date: Dec 31 1974
Source: Plain Dealer; Cleveland Necrology File, Reel #160.
Notes: Surgala. Elizabeth J. Surgala (Pilat), beloved wife of the late
Joseph A., dear mother of Mary E., Susie M. Kuller, Margaret E. Mayer,
Joseph R., Irene M. and the late Helen and Albert, grandmother of five and
great-grandmother of eight, sister of Anna Halko, Mary Kroggel and the late
Julia Senyak and George Pilat. Funeral Mass, Thursday, Jan. 2, at St. Mel
Church, 14436 Triskett Rd., at 9:30 a.m. Family will receive friends at
Corrigan Funeral Home, Lorain Ave. At West 148th St., Tuesday 7-9 P.M. And
Wednesday 3-5 And 7-9 P.M.

Id#: 0746734
Name: Surgala, Anna
Date: Jul 11 1975
Source: Plain Dealer; Cleveland Necrology File, Reel #160.
Notes: Surgala. Anna Surgala (nee Selcik), beloved wife of the late Michael,
dear mother of Michael Jr., Anne Bertuzzi, Mary Priester, Anthony and
Bernard and the following deceased; Edward, Lawrence and Helen, grandmother
and great-grandmother, sister of Mary Chamer, Michael (deceased) and Joseph
(deceased). Funeral Mass Saturday, July 12, at 9 a. m. from St. Bridget
Church. Burial Holy Cross. Visitation At The Zabor Funeral Home, 5680 Pearl
Rd., Parma, Friday 2-4 And 7-9.

Id#: 0353133
Name: Surgala, John
Date: 1923
Source: Cemetery record; Cleveland Necrology File, Reel #079.
Notes: 1871-1923. age 52. Calvary Cem. Cleve. Ohio.

Id#: 0353132
Name: Surgala, John
Date: 1909
Source: Cemetery record; Cleveland Necrology File, Reel #079.
Notes: 1877-1909. Calvary Cem. Cleveland, Ohio.

Town records! You are in luck, they appear to be in 3 languages. The LDS
Church (Mormon) Family History Library has thousands and thousands of
microfilm church records from Europe, which can be ordered from Salt Lake
via a Family History Center near you for $3.50! They will keep them at the
FHC for (I think it is 60 or 90 days, at which time you may renew the
rental). I have rented them for Croatia and found that they will read like
a family tree and are the best possible source for researching your family
in Europe. The nice thing is that you already no the surnames and the
columns and terms are pretty much standard, which makes them relatively
simple to translate. I would encourage you to find some web pages that will
give you Latin, Hungarian and Ruthenian church record word lists. Here is
what you can order and rent:

TitleCirkevná matrika, 1812-1899
AuthorsCirkev grécko-katolícka. Farský úrad Blazov (Sabinov) (Main Author)

NotesPôvodné dokumenty boli mikrofilmované v Státnom oblastnom archíve v
Levoci.

Greek Catholic parish registers of baptisms, marriages and deaths for
Blazov, Slovakia, formerly Balázsvágás, Sáros, Hungary. Text in Latin,
Hungarian and Ruthenian.

Authors Cirkev grécko-katolícka. Farský úrad Blazov (Sabinov) (Main Author)

Note Location
Film
Krstení 1812-1852 Zomrelí 1815-1853 Sobásení 1817-1853 Krstení 1853-1877
Sobásení 1853-1877 Zomrelí 1853-1877 Krstení 1877-1899 Sobásení 1877-1899
Zomrelí 1877-1899 DRUHOPISY Krstení, sobásení, zomrelí 1875-1880 Krstení
1881-1895 FHL INTL Film
1792006 Items 2-5

Sobásení 1881-1895 Zomrelí 1881-1895 FHL INTL Film
1792006 Items 2-5

These will be Baptismal (krsteni and the other two types are marriage and
death records.

Notice the town has a \/ over the Z which I believe will give the Z the
sound like the S in the word treasure.

I believe the other place you are looking for is Brezovice nad Torysou, the
LDS also has records for that town.

From the link below you can search for records and you can also locate a FHC
near you.

http://www.familysearch.org/Eng/Library/FHLC/frameset_fhlc.asp

I suspect that these people were Greek Rite Catholic aka Byzantine Rite
Catholic. Many areas of eastern Slovakia have or had Ruthenian aka Carpatho
Rusyn people who followed this faith.

In re to Census Records, that may or may not be the way the immigrant
spelled the name. Those records were written down by the census taker and
most likely were his/her interpretation of what he/she heard with "English
ears". Keep in mind that census records are strictly private for 72 years
thus no one else would have seen that spelling. If the name changed in
daily use it was most likely as a result of: 1) the immigrant making that
change on his own, which did not need to be done officially, 2) in school
many immigrant children had their names recorded by teachers phonetically or
3) on the job.

Interesting searching the LDS web page finds SHURGALA and SHURGALA Soc Sec
Records indicate PA while SURGALA are Ohio.

http://www.familysearch.org/Eng/Search/frameset_search.asp

I have a feeling that the one sp that I mentioned SURKALA may have a
connection. I checked several area tel. phone code areas and found no
SURGALA but I did find Surkala (the S has a \/ over it) the mark over the
S gives it the sound of SH And it would be very easy
to mistake the G and K sounds.

http://www.zoznamst.sk/eng/index.html

Here is what appears to be a useful Slovak Gen page

http://www.iabsi.com/gen/public/correspondence.htm

Robert Jerin
Croatian Heritage Museum
Cleveland Ohio
Post by Dave Hazelwood
Thanks Robert your post helped me locate it I think.
BLAZOV4909 2045NSlovakia 179.5 miles ENE of Bratislava
Or at least I am 90% sure ... unless there were other Blazov's
also previously called Balazsvagas ?
So difficult these Slavic places ... the names change ... the borders change
the language pronunciations change ... drives me nuts.
Post by Robert Jerin
Since this is a Slavic Genealogy newsgroup it is diffcult to determine which
one of the many countries stretching from Russia in the East and Czech Rep
in the west, Macedonia in the south and Poland in the north you are asking
about!
Here are some possibilities.
BLAZOV4941 1653NCzech Republic 111.0 miles ESE of Prague
BLAZOV4909 2045NSlovakia 179.5 miles ENE of Bratislava
BLAZOV4759 1740NSlovakia 27.9 miles ESE of Bratislava
BLAZOVCE4856 1851NSlovakia 95.9 miles NE of Bratislava
BLAZOVICE4910 1647NCzech Republic 121.4 miles ESE of Prague
BALAZE
(BLAZE)4849 1912VSlovakia 105.9 miles ENE of Bratislava
BALAZHEVICHI5206 2845NRussia 438.2 miles WSW of Moscow
BALAZHI5435 5629NRussia 747.4 miles E of Moscow
BALAZSDULO4815 2136NHungary 127.5 miles ENE of Budapest
BALAZSFA
(BLAZOV)4759 1740VSlovakia 27.9 miles ESE of Bratislava
BALAZSFALVA
(BLAJ)4611 2355VRomania 160.7 miles NW of Bucharest
BALAZSHALOM4738 2012NHungary 52.8 miles E of Budapest
BALAZSI4653 1922DHungary 44.6 miles SSE of Budapest
BALAZSITANYA4746 2057DHungary 88.8 miles ENE of Budapest
BALAZSITANYAK
(CSALANOS)4807 2155DHungary 138.1 miles ENE of Budapest
BALAZSKERT4743 2141NHungary 121.9 miles E of Budapest
BALAZSLAPOS
(BALAZSDULO)4815 2136VHungary 127.5 miles ENE of Budapest
BALAZS PIRI-SOR
(PIRI SOR)4609 1929VHungary 95.1 miles SSE of Budapest
BALAZSPUSZTA4701 2130NHungary 118.1 miles ESE of Budapest
BALAZSPUSZTA4654 1923NHungary 43.8 miles SSE of Budapest
BALAZSSZALLAS4558 1848NHungary 106.7 miles S of Budapest
BALAZSTAG4751 1814NSlovakia 55.6 miles ESE of Bratislava
BALAZSTANYA
(BALASSAGYARMAT)4805 1918DHungary 41.5 miles NNE of Budapest
BALAZSTANYA
(DELIHEGYIRESZ)4646 1838DHungary 54.9 miles SSW of Budapest
BALAZSTANYA4645 2049NHungary 96.5 miles ESE of Budapest
BALAZSTANYA
(IGAL)4632 1757DHungary 85.4 miles SW of Budapest
BALAZS-TELEP4654 2122VHungary 114.8 miles ESE of Budapest
BALAZSTELEP4553 1748NHungary 127.1 miles SSW of Budapest
BALAZSUJTELEP4654 2122DHungary 114.8 miles ESE of Budapest
Robert Jerin
Croatian Heritage Museum
Cleveland Ohio
Post by Dave Hazelwood
My grandfater came from Balazsvagas which later became Blazov
which ceased to exist in 1950.
What town is it now ? Can anybody help ?
Dave Hazelwood
2003-12-16 07:30:14 UTC
Permalink
Robert, I discovered that if you use an area code of 0 (zero) it searches the
entire directory. I did that and here is what i found:

Cyril Surgala Jesenná , Cana
Mária Surgalová Za vodou , Stará Lubovna
Miroslav Surgala Matuškova , Košice
Zdenek Surgala Gudernova , Košice

Aurélia Surkalová Nešporova , Košice
Branislav Surkala Biely Kostol
Helena Surkalová Komenského , Bardejov
Igor Surkala Letná , Košice
Ing. Jozef Surkala U Fojtov , Zborov nad Bystricou
Ing.arch. Július Surkala Na Hrebienku , Bratislava
Ján Surkala Klubina
Jaroslav Surkala Šidlovská , Prešov
Jozef Surkala J.Grešáka , Bardejov
Jozef Surkala Štúrova , Prešov
Jozefína Surkalová Rybná , Biely Kostol
Jozefína Surkalová Šimonovianska , Partizánske
Katarína Surkalová Školská , Nižná Šebastová
Ladislav Surkala Becherov
Margita Surkalová Dlhomíra Polského , Kysucké Nové Mesto
Mária Surkalová Becherov
Mária Surkalová Roztoky
Mária Surkalová Zborov
Mária Surkalová Chmelová
Milena Surkalová Na Stebnicku , Zborov
Norbert Surkala Okruná (m.c.Píly) , Prievidza
Pavol Surkala M.Rázusa (m.c.Nové mesto-Necpa , Prievidza
Peter Surkala L.Štúra , Bardejov
Rozália Surkalová Gen.Svobodu , Partizánske
Rudolf Surkala Sedmikrásková , Topolcany
Simeon Surkala Palárikova , Košice
Stefan Surkala Cínska , Košice
Vlasta Surkalová M.Gorkého (m.c.Kopanice-Sever) , Prievidza

Many of these people live near where Brazov was i.e Presov, Kosice etc.

I am learning thanks to you and Alex. I did the search on "surg" and surk" only
and OUILA there appeared a bunch with "ova" at the end. These are all females
as I now understand.
Post by Robert Jerin
I noticed that some of the listings had destinations of Cleveland Ohio.
There is a SURKALA in Cuyahoga County Archives
And the county marriage records show several SURGALAs listed.
http://probate.cuyahogacounty.us/ml/ml.urd/MLIW1000
Also the following obits are found in Cleveland Public Library.
Id#: 0746740
Name: Surgala, Louis
Date: Jul 12 1970
Source: Plain Dealer; Cleveland Necrology File, Reel #160.
Notes: Surgala. Louis Surgala, beloved husband of the late Bertha (nee
Sargent), dear father of John (deceased), Thomas and Betty, grandfather of
Carol Kantor and John Richard, great-grandfather of four, brother of Mary
Emley, Joseph, Elizabeth Matis, John, Anna Zitnay and Stephanie Surgala, all
deceased. Solemn requiem Mass Monday, July 13, 1970 at St. Wendelin Church
at 9:30 a.m. Interment Calvary Cemetery, Section 30, lot 611, Grove 2.
Relatives and friends may call Sunday 2-5 And 7-10 P.M. at 2707 Monroe Ave.
at W. 28th St., Sepsl Funeral Home.
Id#: 0746739
Name: Surgala, Lawrence
Date: Apr 23 1974
Source: Plain Dealer; Cleveland Necrology File, Reel #160.
Notes: Surgala. Lawrence Surgala, beloved son of Anna (nee Setcik) and the
late Michael, dear brother of Michael Jr., Edward (deceased), Helen, Anna
Bertuzzi, Mary Priester, Anthony and Bernard. Funeral Mass, Wednesday, April
24, at 11 a.m. at St. Bridget Church. Burial Holy Cross. Visitation At Zabor
Funeral Home, 5680 Pearl Rd., Tuesday, 2-4 And 7-9 P.M.
Id#: 0746738
Name: Surgala, Joseph A.
Date: Jul 12 1958
Source: Cleveland Press; Cleveland Necrology File, Reel #160.
Notes: Surgala, Joseph A., beloved husband of Elizabeth, devoted father of
Helen (deceased), Mary E. Susie Kutler, Margaret E. Meyer, Joseph A., Albert
(deceased), and Irene M., and grandfather, brother of Mary Emley, of
Lakewood, O., Louis of Cleveland, and Anna Zitnal of Czechoslovakia,
Thursday, July 10, 1958, late residence, 1718 Lorain Ave. Friends may call
at Frank P. Misencik Funeral Parlor, 1111 Fairfield Ave. From 2 To 5 And 7
To 10 Funeral services Monday, July 14, at 8:45 a. m. and from St.
Wendelin's Church at 9:30 a. m. Interment Calvary Cemetery.
Id#: 0746737
Name: Surgala, John L.
Date: Mar 3 1970
Source: Cleveland Press; Cleveland Necrology File, Reel #160.
Notes: Surgala. John L. Surgala, 3117 Hancock Ave., beloved husband of Helen
(nee Hubal), dear father of Carole Kantor and John Richard, son of the late
Bertha (nee Sargent) and Louis, brother of Thomas and Betty, grandfather of
four. Requiem Mass Wednesday, Mar. 4, 1970 at St. Wendelin Church at 9 a.m.
Interment Holy Cross Cemetery. Relatives and friends will be received by the
family Tuesday 2-5 And 7-10 P.M. at 2707 Monroe Ave. at W. 28th St. Sepsi
Funeral Home, (Please omit flowers.)
Id#: 0746736
Name: Surgala, Helen I.
Date: Sep 23 1974
Source: Plain Dealer; Cleveland Necrology File, Reel #160.
Notes: Surgala. Helen I. Surgala, beloved daughter of Anna (nee Sefcik) and
the late Michael, dear sister of Michael Jr., Edward (deceased), Lawrence
(deceased), Anna Bertuzzi, Mary Priester, Anthony and Bernard. Mass of the
Resurrection Tuesday, Sept. 24, at 10:30 a.m. from St. Bridget Church.
Burial Holy Cross. Visitation at Zabor Funeral Home, 5680 Pearl Rd., Parma
Monday 2-4 And 7-9 P.M.
Id#: 0746735
Name: Surgala, Elizabeth J. (Pilat)
Date: Dec 31 1974
Source: Plain Dealer; Cleveland Necrology File, Reel #160.
Notes: Surgala. Elizabeth J. Surgala (Pilat), beloved wife of the late
Joseph A., dear mother of Mary E., Susie M. Kuller, Margaret E. Mayer,
Joseph R., Irene M. and the late Helen and Albert, grandmother of five and
great-grandmother of eight, sister of Anna Halko, Mary Kroggel and the late
Julia Senyak and George Pilat. Funeral Mass, Thursday, Jan. 2, at St. Mel
Church, 14436 Triskett Rd., at 9:30 a.m. Family will receive friends at
Corrigan Funeral Home, Lorain Ave. At West 148th St., Tuesday 7-9 P.M. And
Wednesday 3-5 And 7-9 P.M.
Id#: 0746734
Name: Surgala, Anna
Date: Jul 11 1975
Source: Plain Dealer; Cleveland Necrology File, Reel #160.
Notes: Surgala. Anna Surgala (nee Selcik), beloved wife of the late Michael,
dear mother of Michael Jr., Anne Bertuzzi, Mary Priester, Anthony and
Bernard and the following deceased; Edward, Lawrence and Helen, grandmother
and great-grandmother, sister of Mary Chamer, Michael (deceased) and Joseph
(deceased). Funeral Mass Saturday, July 12, at 9 a. m. from St. Bridget
Church. Burial Holy Cross. Visitation At The Zabor Funeral Home, 5680 Pearl
Rd., Parma, Friday 2-4 And 7-9.
Id#: 0353133
Name: Surgala, John
Date: 1923
Source: Cemetery record; Cleveland Necrology File, Reel #079.
Notes: 1871-1923. age 52. Calvary Cem. Cleve. Ohio.
Id#: 0353132
Name: Surgala, John
Date: 1909
Source: Cemetery record; Cleveland Necrology File, Reel #079.
Notes: 1877-1909. Calvary Cem. Cleveland, Ohio.
Town records! You are in luck, they appear to be in 3 languages. The LDS
Church (Mormon) Family History Library has thousands and thousands of
microfilm church records from Europe, which can be ordered from Salt Lake
via a Family History Center near you for $3.50! They will keep them at the
FHC for (I think it is 60 or 90 days, at which time you may renew the
rental). I have rented them for Croatia and found that they will read like
a family tree and are the best possible source for researching your family
in Europe. The nice thing is that you already no the surnames and the
columns and terms are pretty much standard, which makes them relatively
simple to translate. I would encourage you to find some web pages that will
give you Latin, Hungarian and Ruthenian church record word lists. Here is
TitleCirkevná matrika, 1812-1899
AuthorsCirkev grécko-katolícka. Farský úrad Blazov (Sabinov) (Main Author)
NotesPôvodné dokumenty boli mikrofilmované v Státnom oblastnom archíve v
Levoci.
Greek Catholic parish registers of baptisms, marriages and deaths for
Blazov, Slovakia, formerly Balázsvágás, Sáros, Hungary. Text in Latin,
Hungarian and Ruthenian.
Authors Cirkev grécko-katolícka. Farský úrad Blazov (Sabinov) (Main Author)
Note Location
Film
Krstení 1812-1852 Zomrelí 1815-1853 Sobásení 1817-1853 Krstení 1853-1877
Sobásení 1853-1877 Zomrelí 1853-1877 Krstení 1877-1899 Sobásení 1877-1899
Zomrelí 1877-1899 DRUHOPISY Krstení, sobásení, zomrelí 1875-1880 Krstení
1881-1895 FHL INTL Film
1792006 Items 2-5
Sobásení 1881-1895 Zomrelí 1881-1895 FHL INTL Film
1792006 Items 2-5
These will be Baptismal (krsteni and the other two types are marriage and
death records.
Notice the town has a \/ over the Z which I believe will give the Z the
sound like the S in the word treasure.
I believe the other place you are looking for is Brezovice nad Torysou, the
LDS also has records for that town.
From the link below you can search for records and you can also locate a FHC
near you.
http://www.familysearch.org/Eng/Library/FHLC/frameset_fhlc.asp
I suspect that these people were Greek Rite Catholic aka Byzantine Rite
Catholic. Many areas of eastern Slovakia have or had Ruthenian aka Carpatho
Rusyn people who followed this faith.
In re to Census Records, that may or may not be the way the immigrant
spelled the name. Those records were written down by the census taker and
most likely were his/her interpretation of what he/she heard with "English
ears". Keep in mind that census records are strictly private for 72 years
thus no one else would have seen that spelling. If the name changed in
daily use it was most likely as a result of: 1) the immigrant making that
change on his own, which did not need to be done officially, 2) in school
many immigrant children had their names recorded by teachers phonetically or
3) on the job.
Interesting searching the LDS web page finds SHURGALA and SHURGALA Soc Sec
Records indicate PA while SURGALA are Ohio.
http://www.familysearch.org/Eng/Search/frameset_search.asp
I have a feeling that the one sp that I mentioned SURKALA may have a
connection. I checked several area tel. phone code areas and found no
SURGALA but I did find Surkala (the S has a \/ over it) the mark over the
S gives it the sound of SH And it would be very easy
to mistake the G and K sounds.
http://www.zoznamst.sk/eng/index.html
Here is what appears to be a useful Slovak Gen page
http://www.iabsi.com/gen/public/correspondence.htm
Robert Jerin
Croatian Heritage Museum
Cleveland Ohio
Post by Dave Hazelwood
Thanks Robert your post helped me locate it I think.
BLAZOV4909 2045NSlovakia 179.5 miles ENE of Bratislava
Or at least I am 90% sure ... unless there were other Blazov's
also previously called Balazsvagas ?
So difficult these Slavic places ... the names change ... the borders
change
Post by Dave Hazelwood
the language pronunciations change ... drives me nuts.
Post by Robert Jerin
Since this is a Slavic Genealogy newsgroup it is diffcult to determine
which
Post by Dave Hazelwood
Post by Robert Jerin
one of the many countries stretching from Russia in the East and Czech
Rep
Post by Dave Hazelwood
Post by Robert Jerin
in the west, Macedonia in the south and Poland in the north you are
asking
Post by Dave Hazelwood
Post by Robert Jerin
about!
Here are some possibilities.
BLAZOV4941 1653NCzech Republic 111.0 miles ESE of Prague
BLAZOV4909 2045NSlovakia 179.5 miles ENE of Bratislava
BLAZOV4759 1740NSlovakia 27.9 miles ESE of Bratislava
BLAZOVCE4856 1851NSlovakia 95.9 miles NE of Bratislava
BLAZOVICE4910 1647NCzech Republic 121.4 miles ESE of Prague
BALAZE
(BLAZE)4849 1912VSlovakia 105.9 miles ENE of Bratislava
BALAZHEVICHI5206 2845NRussia 438.2 miles WSW of Moscow
BALAZHI5435 5629NRussia 747.4 miles E of Moscow
BALAZSDULO4815 2136NHungary 127.5 miles ENE of Budapest
BALAZSFA
(BLAZOV)4759 1740VSlovakia 27.9 miles ESE of Bratislava
BALAZSFALVA
(BLAJ)4611 2355VRomania 160.7 miles NW of Bucharest
BALAZSHALOM4738 2012NHungary 52.8 miles E of Budapest
BALAZSI4653 1922DHungary 44.6 miles SSE of Budapest
BALAZSITANYA4746 2057DHungary 88.8 miles ENE of Budapest
BALAZSITANYAK
(CSALANOS)4807 2155DHungary 138.1 miles ENE of Budapest
BALAZSKERT4743 2141NHungary 121.9 miles E of Budapest
BALAZSLAPOS
(BALAZSDULO)4815 2136VHungary 127.5 miles ENE of Budapest
BALAZS PIRI-SOR
(PIRI SOR)4609 1929VHungary 95.1 miles SSE of Budapest
BALAZSPUSZTA4701 2130NHungary 118.1 miles ESE of Budapest
BALAZSPUSZTA4654 1923NHungary 43.8 miles SSE of Budapest
BALAZSSZALLAS4558 1848NHungary 106.7 miles S of Budapest
BALAZSTAG4751 1814NSlovakia 55.6 miles ESE of Bratislava
BALAZSTANYA
(BALASSAGYARMAT)4805 1918DHungary 41.5 miles NNE of Budapest
BALAZSTANYA
(DELIHEGYIRESZ)4646 1838DHungary 54.9 miles SSW of Budapest
BALAZSTANYA4645 2049NHungary 96.5 miles ESE of Budapest
BALAZSTANYA
(IGAL)4632 1757DHungary 85.4 miles SW of Budapest
BALAZS-TELEP4654 2122VHungary 114.8 miles ESE of Budapest
BALAZSTELEP4553 1748NHungary 127.1 miles SSW of Budapest
BALAZSUJTELEP4654 2122DHungary 114.8 miles ESE of Budapest
Robert Jerin
Croatian Heritage Museum
Cleveland Ohio
Post by Dave Hazelwood
My grandfater came from Balazsvagas which later became Blazov
which ceased to exist in 1950.
What town is it now ? Can anybody help ?
Alexander Sharon
2003-12-15 14:46:17 UTC
Permalink
Post by Dave Hazelwood
My grandfater came from Balazsvagas which later became Blazov
which ceased to exist in 1950.
What town is it now ? Can anybody help ?
Let me try, Dave.

If you download Hungarian Saros county map circa 1910 where Balazsvagas used
to be located at:

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we might figure something out.

First of all please locate parish referenced as No.5 on the map. This parish
has a light burgundy color on the upper left side of this map. On the left
side of this map is the neighbouring parish Olublo (now is known as Stara
Lubovna in Slovakia). Muszyna (town in Poland) is located on the top of this
parish.

Town Hethars (now is known as Lipany) was the parish centre.

From Hethars follow west alongside Tarcza River - on the west side you will
see Balazsvagas next to the mountain peak Simenyi marked 1219 m on the map.

I have compared this old Hungarian map to the modern Slovakian map (scale
300,000) and it appears that there is no indication that any settlement
exist now were Balazsvagas used to exist.

Tarcza River is known currently as Torysa River.

As you follow from Balazsvagas back to the east direction to town Hethars,
you may notice that some villages have disappeared or have been renamed.

Balazsvolgve (next to peak Javorinka 1062 m mark) gone, Csendespatak is
renamed as Tichy Potok, Berzivicze are known as Brezovica, village Tarcza is
renamed Torysa (same as the river name), Krivany has retain the same name
and Hethars, as I have mentioned earlier, is now Lipany.

We can conclude that Balazsvagas that has been renamed as Blazov and that
has ceased to exist in 1950, was not resettled.
The nearest to Blazov locality is Tichy Potok distance ~ 2 km to the east,
known in the past as Csendespatak.

Best of luck with your search.

Alexander Sharon
Canada
Dave Hazelwood
2003-12-16 02:32:25 UTC
Permalink
Alexander, Yes you are spot on I think.

I even found this !

http://bfs.webpark.sk/Engl/blazov.htm

Made my day it did.

What a beautiful place. I want to live there !
Post by Alexander Sharon
Post by Dave Hazelwood
My grandfater came from Balazsvagas which later became Blazov
which ceased to exist in 1950.
What town is it now ? Can anybody help ?
Let me try, Dave.
If you download Hungarian Saros county map circa 1910 where Balazsvagas used
http://lazarus.elte.hu/hun/maps/1910/saros.jpg
we might figure something out.
First of all please locate parish referenced as No.5 on the map. This parish
has a light burgundy color on the upper left side of this map. On the left
side of this map is the neighbouring parish Olublo (now is known as Stara
Lubovna in Slovakia). Muszyna (town in Poland) is located on the top of this
parish.
Town Hethars (now is known as Lipany) was the parish centre.
From Hethars follow west alongside Tarcza River - on the west side you will
see Balazsvagas next to the mountain peak Simenyi marked 1219 m on the map.
I have compared this old Hungarian map to the modern Slovakian map (scale
300,000) and it appears that there is no indication that any settlement
exist now were Balazsvagas used to exist.
Tarcza River is known currently as Torysa River.
As you follow from Balazsvagas back to the east direction to town Hethars,
you may notice that some villages have disappeared or have been renamed.
Balazsvolgve (next to peak Javorinka 1062 m mark) gone, Csendespatak is
renamed as Tichy Potok, Berzivicze are known as Brezovica, village Tarcza is
renamed Torysa (same as the river name), Krivany has retain the same name
and Hethars, as I have mentioned earlier, is now Lipany.
We can conclude that Balazsvagas that has been renamed as Blazov and that
has ceased to exist in 1950, was not resettled.
The nearest to Blazov locality is Tichy Potok distance ~ 2 km to the east,
known in the past as Csendespatak.
Best of luck with your search.
Alexander Sharon
Canada
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